CNN-IBN asks, in a highly irresponsible interview, ” Is Ram Sethu an irrelevant issue down south?” Irresponsible for out of all people, they gave credence to the views of the socalled “Dravidian rationalists” who have such rational claims to Tamil heritage as an ancient continent called Kumari Kandam that was present in the Indian Ocean region and got submerged long time ago. The people in today’s South India are the descendants of this ancient continent.
Is Ram Setu a nonissue in the South? Why do you have to go too far to answer this question? Stay in Tamil Nadu itself and you’ll find the AIADMK, a south Indian party, protesting against the SSCP. In Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, Ram remains popular today irrespective of what Ram’s popularity status was in the past.
The socalled Dravidian movement, purportedly based on rationality and opposed to superstition, relies on a mixture of linguistic fanaticism, myths like Kumari Kandam, racism and xenophobia of people with white skin (read “destructive Aryan North Indians”) to perpetuate its purely political propaganda.
The theory on which their movement relies – broadly speaking, invading Aryans from North India imposing their destructive Gods over south Indian Dravidians – has been discredited long time ago by numerous scholars and is today considered pseudoscience. What’s more, this outlook is not shared by many south Indian Hindus themselves. As far as they are concerned, it was a sage who crossed the Vindhyas into southern India who brought Sanskrit and the Vedas to south Indian, not some destructive warmongering Aryan warrior God.
The rallying points of this political propanganda – a deadly mixture of ethnicity, myths, prejudices against specific groups based on skin colour, origin and language; racism and xenophobia is strikingly similar to the rallying points of the Nazis in their destructive genocide of the Jews. One can already see the results of this genocidal propaganda – many Tamil Brahmins have left Tamil Nadu and are living in other states and abroad.
Another reason why this interview was irresponsible was the fact that it tried to portray if south India is a monolithic entity and that the Dravidian parties are the main articulators of the issues of south Indians.
As a south Indian, I can state that the only thing that Tamil Nadu and the other south Indian states have in common is the common roots of their language – protoDravidian. Even food habbits, though largely similar in nature, show wide variations. There’s a Tamil cuisine and there’s a Telugu cuisine, a Kannada cuisine and a Malayali cuisine. Dressing styles are different. Festivals are different.
The outlook of the people is also different. While Dravidian nationalists base their movements on hatred of other groups – attributing the presence of social evils to specific groups, caste or religious – the rest of the people in south India practice a healthy and open outlook towards life without practicing any sort of prejudice or hatred towards specific groups. They go about solving problems instead of incessantly ranting about them or their supposed creators.
The people of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka do NOT share the racist and xenophobic outlook that some people from Tamil Nadu feel proud about, especially those from the Dravidian rationalist camp.
This camp is hardly rationalist. All you have to do is read the following claims about Kumari Kandam (from the Wikipedia article):
In modern Dravidian ethnic nationalist literature, Kumari Kandam or “Lemuria” was the “cradle of civilization”, the origin of human languages in general and the Tamil language in particular. These ideas gained notability in Tamil academic literature over the first decades of the 20th century, and were popularized by the Tanittamil Iyakkam, notably by self-taught Dravidologist Devaneya Pavanar, who held that all languages on earth were merely corrupted Tamil dialects.
R. Mathivanan, then Chief Editor of the Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project of the Government of Tamilnadu, in 1991 claimed to have deciphered the Indus script as Tamil, following the methodology recommended by his teacher Devaneya Pavanar, presenting the following timeline (cited after Mahadevan 2002):
ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammar)Mathivanan uses “Aryan Invasion” rhetoric to account for the fall of this civilization:
“After imbibing the mania of the Aryan culture of destroying the enemy and their habitats, the Dravidians developed a new avenging and destructive war approach. This induced them to ruin the forts and cities of their own brethren out of enmity”.
That folks, is the rationality that the Dravidian movement claims to pursue – an advanced civilization about 20,000 BC. That sort of thing is usually called pseudoscience. Quite similar in nature to the pseudoscientific claims that the Ramayana occured 1.7 million years ago, when human beings havent yet begun to live in large cities like Ayodhya!

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September 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Uday Krishna Y
I do agree that just few non sense (non sensible) vociferous people can not represent the entire south India. Tamilnadu is a different society altogether with extreme on all sides. Mostly the worst politicians ever india produced including lalu and mulayam
September 18, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Madhu
Agree totally. Such nonsense has to be laughed out of the room. Homo Dravida! are these ppl really serious??? They are claiming that Tamilians are an entirely different speices of human beings !!! and it has been conclusively proved by scientists that there is only one surviving species of human beings and that is Homo sapiens which hopefully these nuts also are a member of.or maybe NOT
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September 20, 2007 at 9:39 am
Anonymous
What could be at the root of this urge to paint everyone with the same brush..? and not for the first time !!!!
September 20, 2007 at 9:39 am
ADR
What could be at the root of this urge to paint everyone with the same brush..? and not for the first time !!!!
December 21, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Anonymous
North indians are the nomadic uncivilized tribes. evidences are there…………..
April 12, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Anonymous
wow.. now you’ve managed to connect “lemuria” with the ram-sethu issue…
If you want to bash the so called “dravidian rationalists”, you should probably just start a new thread for that…
August 5, 2008 at 11:30 am
Karthik
Really..well I do concur with your posit that the Tamil Nationalists have taken things a bit too far on the issue of the Ram Sethu , as a Hindu and a tamil nationalist I still frimly believe that the tamil nationalism is still very relevant to the tamil people especially in the face of cultural onslaught from the north. The tamil people have a culture and language that’s unique and entirely disimmilar to the North. Tamil Nationalism today strives to preserve that culture and not lay claim to an ancient chronology as you suggest. I hence recommend that you study on the the dravidian movement before you start your polemic rants
December 30, 2008 at 6:28 pm
soron
hu in ramayana kiskintha people ie modern kannadigas are described as apes. still they do good blow job for aryans. good fuckers indeed. there arwe some telugu guys who have dravidian consciousness.thing is south indians share common lifestyles than aryans of the north. there are also dravidians in north but their language has been aryanised. though people of south are also aryanised racially. their language is somewhat preserved. lets worship shiva he is the pan indian god.
December 30, 2008 at 6:30 pm
soron
bjp using ram as a hindutva icon is to show their hegemony over the south. why can’t they use lord shiva. beware of that. friend
December 30, 2008 at 6:36 pm
soron
why dont english be announced as the national language of india. if you accept hindi it means on shore imperialism of aryans. i am a malayalee. once we spoke tamil now tamil became malayalam because of aryan intrusion. lets prevent it . i dont say tamil is a great language. it is also one of the dravidian language that is less sanskritized. telugu kannda i\are also great languages
February 11, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Sathya
My fellow Brother’s , this is a late comment but we have to realize that we have transcended many centuries. we are in a scientific era, I respect every religion and language in world. The land of “Hind” has always welcomed people to live and has provided with ample to live with….Aryan’s came to India……centuries ago but look at what it has given….birth to in this great land of ours, we have got the entire system of Rishi’s and the heights of knowledge we achieved. I belive a True human has to transend this and go beyond…every religion which has come tothe shores of this land has been cradeled…and nurtured….to live and digest with in the system it self. we as people of this land, who are all the rightful owners in there own way…ahve contributed in creating such a diverse culture….which u cant find out any where in the world….once called the cradel of civilization…why are we gettings caught in this trivial issues….there is always a fanatic group in every sect…the problem with these people is that they are insecure about their own future. Lets leave this childish behavior..and start concentrating on what we shoudl discuss and find a solution for…we have such a huge population in poverty,,,,we are 10 years back ward of china in technology….. We as people have to create this awareness…and a whole mind as to take this country to new heights. why is it that we have to buy, Nuclear technology from the west. Why do we depend on the western arms…..in the way of technology…..are they no Einstien…in a billion and more people of this country. Lets forget this childish game of who is the biggest. We are people of this land and once realized this with your total heart we will start moving towards development of this country. Just go to the west…see there public transportation…lets build a greater India. when we die lets leave this land to our children as a peaceful country. A country where where we find food for the poor…job for the unemployed and many more …les wake up…..my fellow friends.
May 11, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Ravi
Hi,
The Tamils , their language & their culture is still preserved just because they always prevented North Indians(may be aryans) to intrude into their culture. Tamil was the only state that opposed Hindi as a National Language. In 1960’s Indian govt dominated by North Indian politicians(till today also) tried to impose Hindi on everybody in India. Finally instead of becoming National Language, Hindi became an official Language of the country. Since then, we follow Tribhasha system. If Tamils would not have opposed that, today I might not be knowing my mother tongue Telugu. You know Telugu & Kannada are sanskritized a lot but not Tamil. This is a good sign for them. They could preserve it. But, now whatever Telugu is now is to considered as Telugu. We should preserve it. one more thing in Tamil Nadu, they have all mantras for all their ocassions(birth to death) will be in Tamil not in Sanskrit.
Most of the north indians always try to humiliate/insult or dominate the south indians. Bcz, they dont like our color, LANGUAGES & food. They(so called highly educated) strongly argue that Hindi is my mother tongue and Telugu is my REgional Language. What a stupid arguement!!! I left them for their ignorance.
To me (and I want it to be for all south Indians) Hindi is a neighbour language (though I speak neutral accent Hindi very fluently than few of the north Indians) as English. I dont see any difference in Hindi & English. English might have come from some tens of thousands of miles. Hindi has come from few thousands of miles. There is no much difference.
Tamils are still considered to be very intelligent and genius’ bcz their language roots are strong. Any person thinks rapidly & takes better decision if he is able to think in His/Her mother tongue. So, Basic scienses & scientists are developed mostly in Tamil Nadu.
In A.P. also govt should mandate in all the schools Telugu as first language till 10th. I dont have problem if you learn Hindi or any other language. But you must learn Telugu.
May 28, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Anonymous
Its encouraging to see such a lovely post which speaks against hatred in any form.
You challenge the basic notion of belonging to a country if you think learning Hindi is the same as learning English. I speak Hindi and am an English language journalist. Even though Tamil is far from my world, I would say it is not the same as learning English or French. In fact as a child of an armyman I have had to learn many Indian languages – some Malayalam, some Punjabi, Rajasthani etc. They all make me richer.
We are in a democracy, which means that in most things majority rules. Hindi is spoken by 41 per cent of citizens. The devnagri script is used by many other states.
It just so happened that states were divided along linguistic lines. Its an accident of history.
People who hate Hindi and keep whining about North Indians this and that still don’t options to offer. Delhi is your capital, Hindi is the official lanaguage. Your state is a part of India. Learn to live with it or give up crying like spoilt children.
When you go outside India, such separatist, anti-national rubbish makes you a laughing stock of the world. Because to them you are Indian and ought to have a language. Just as Chennai or Madras is not the centre of the world, Thamil is not the only language. I know many South and Western Indians who think all North Indians are the same. They call a salwar kameez a Punjabi! Does that mean anyone who belongs to UP or MP should hate them?
Official Language – Constitutional/Statutory Provisions
Article 343(1) of the Constitution provides that Hindi in Devanagari script shall be the Official Language of the Union. Article 343(2) also provided for continuing the use of English in official work of the Union for a period of 15 years (i.e., up to 25 January 1965) from the date of commencement of the Constitution. Article 343(3) empowered the parliament to provide by law for continued use of English for official purposes even after 25 January 1965. Accordingly, section 3(2) of the Official Languages Act, 1963 (amended in 1967) provides for continuing the use of English in official work even after 25 January 1965. The Act also lays down that both Hindi and English shall compulsorily be used for certain specified purposes such as Resolutions, General Orders, Rules, Notifications, Administrative and other Reports, Press Communiqués; Administrative and other Reports and Official Papers to be laid before a House or the Houses of Parliament; Contracts, Agreements, Licences, Permits, Tender Notices and Forms of Tender, etc.
June 30, 2009 at 6:56 pm
UGK
Fair skinned people took India from blacks.
That is common sense.
There is nothing to discredit there.
Much of the culture and everything else was taken from the black people.
The caste system created and many of the blacks in India were eliminated and the remaining are fragmented and mostly low caste.
I dont believe in Homo Dravida thing as such, but i do believe that India was a black mans land and that there was indeed a sunken land that extended to Australia.
The problem is that many of the Aryans are afraid that the oppressed Dravidians may become extremist and try to reclaim land if their true ancient history is revealed.
That is why there is an effort from much of the fair skinned establishment to ridicule and dismiss the dravidian history.
Look at what happened in Egypt. A civilisation initially created by black africans and later stolen by Arabs and Europeans. The entire history was altered and Egypt was claimed to be a civilisation of whites.
Thank fully Cheik Anta Diop and other Afro centrists are revealing the truth.
If fair skinned people are uncomfortable then get used to it.
You have spent centuries demonising the black man and lying about his history. But the truth is finally coming out.
I say this as a fair skinned person myself
June 30, 2009 at 7:03 pm
UGK
Tamils have preserved the culture which is nothing short of a miracle.
Most tamils (myself included) are not the original black dravidians but we have preserved the culture of the black man.
There has been immense pressure by the Neo Brahmin Aryans to dilute India and turn it into one massive Hindi speaking Aryan state.
Tamil Nadu is the only place that has resisted it for so many centuries.
And thus Tamils are considered fanatics and haters.
The Aryan Indians have been helping the Sinhalese govts in Sri Lanka to eliminate the tamil identity there also.
Professor Francis Boyle himself admitted that there is a global conspiracy to eliminate the Dravidian roots of planet Earth.
So i dont put all blame on India only. This is a global problem.
But i know 110% that the Dravidian identity will survive no matter how hard people try to eliminate it, and the truth will be accepted by all very soon.
That is destiny.
It is a balance that needs to be restored
July 7, 2009 at 9:23 am
Indian
“Aryans” as a race was never proven and will never be proven because they aren’t a race. India is the birth place of a number of different religious beliefs which non-Indians call Hinduism. The different belief systems of Hinduism wasn’t brought to India by outsiders. It was formed within itself by the native inhabitants of India that look dark and light skinned. Most of North Indians already lived in India(the subcontinent of South Asia) and most of South Indians already lived in the same place ever since human beings were formed. People who live in the north look light skinned because those that lived in the north lived in areas that were colder than the people who look dark. The dark people lived in the deserts and the other areas of the subcontinent that was much warmer than the frigid regions of the Himalayas.
I wonder during which age was the caste system formed. Lord vishnu, lord shiva, and lord brahma must be laughing at the people that fight each other on the lines of caste. The higher powers never had any caste to fight over so why do Indians fight each other so much because of caste? Instead of serving man, and his caste, man need to serve God, the God that cannot be defined by none of his creation. The God that cannot be owned by one group or the other. The invisible one, one that created every other powers, the one that is capable of creating and destroying everything in a second. The destroyer of ego, the destroyer of false pride, the creator and destroyer of bad and evil, the power that takes care of both the good as well as the bad. The nameless one. The most powerful one.
July 7, 2009 at 9:34 am
Indian
Okay now stop fighting. Sanskrit and Tamil was formed in India by its original inhabitants. Just because North Indians speak sanskrit dont mean they are better than the South Indians that speak tamil. And just because South Indians speak Tamil dont mean they are better than the North Indians that speak sanskrit. So this notion of I am superior than you because of language is just utter bullshit man. Stop it, its worthless.
July 7, 2009 at 9:49 am
Indian
Caste system turned out to be a joke eventually. Those that say they belong to a particular caste failed to accomplish the goals that was given to each. Brahmins failed when they couldn’t keep their own ways and turned into hypocrites who did the opposite of what they preached. Kshatriyas failed to protect India from invasions because of infighting and power struggle. Shudras and vaishyas didn’t work for either because they were being oppressed and looked down upon. So whats the point of having a caste system? Foreigners laugh at Indians when they fight each other over caste and religion. India was taken advantage of by different outsiders because of us fighting like like madmen over caste, land, wealth, and power.
July 9, 2009 at 11:36 am
priyantha
Hai everybody let me join your all Indian dialog of who are the greatest in India dialog from your nebouring Srilanka .First off all I like to say at the very beginig you mention about a lost land of kanya kumari kandam but i say it is pitty that no one ever mention about Srilanka or maldives the closest remain of so called lost land even though they mention about far distant lands like Madagascar ,Australia etc.You all know that we in Sri lanka once were the advance civilization as per your sacred books and were Shiva versifiers Having all this in your hands you all never think of ours even Just as a part of the lost lemuriya this clearly shows that when one gets blind by nationalism how short sited people become. Anyway it is very clear that we all south Asians have a very long surviving history dating thousands of years which only very few other nations even think of.You obviously know in some so called developed countries they have only a history of few hundred years yet they are proud and teach it in pride and it is a must to learn if you are to become a citizen of those . but you see what we south Asians do is to quarrel each other about our long and rich history to become the greatest among us how mad are we.This is the most sad part of us the south Asians see how many deviations we have to deal with casts, religions, languages, colors I wonder how many. So this not the way we should go forward we all know that we all had a far advanced society and knowledge than those developed countries if look back at just few hundred years.So what we are to do is to get rid of this unwanted challenges for supremacy among us.Lets be all happy with our long history of thousands of years and get friendly with each other and coaperate more to become once again the dominant power center of the world.we can surely do that if we keep apart our differences and if we begin a friendly march to the prosperity together once again.Let us form a broad coalition like European union remember if we become one voice we are one fourth of hole world .Lets build a new united nation of south Asia called U.S.S.A .(united states of south Asia) please be stand for it if we unite the future of the world is in our hands for sure.
thanks
priyantha
August 13, 2009 at 2:35 am
sugu
Dear fellow indian subcontinent friends, each an everyones point view is right inaway. Its very true that people from outside is laughing at us for being segregated into races religion & languages. its an evolution. since the begining of mankind we’ve changed by time. that dosen’t mine we can hide the scintific evidence of what is our origin. indian sub continent are mixture of dravidian,aryan,mongoloit and so on. evan the todas of nilgiri has the language specimen of austrian fro easten europe, evan linguistic agreed that. Australian aborigine tribes are close to south indian “DNA”, why is it shouldn’t be when the lemuriya was submerging from time to time due to the melting of the north and south pole, uor ancestor start to migrate to higher land like australia, presant indian subcontinent srilangka and other remaining islands of presant days . I as a malaysian Indian know my origin and willing to dig more about it. I’m always proud of INDIA’s sucess in any of her achievment, but now since india allow tamil genocide just at her footstep (sri langka),I don’t believe that federal government is looking south indian as one indian nation,and yet “ONE BILLION” people keeping quite,being ignorance. Whatever the political situation be, if the whole nation stood up for “hahimsa” against the tamil genocide, the whole world will be wondering upon the power we had generated.Remember that INDIA has great potential as “ONE”, every state has their strength.
So be one great nation and make proud of the indian origin all over the world.