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		<title>By: GM</title>
		<link>http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/needed-a-rightist-secular-libertarian-national-party/#comment-15854</link>
		<dc:creator>GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with the thought there. As a Libertarian, I am obviously outraged by what the world cooks up and sells to people as an attempt to help the people. That governments have super natural rights, that governments can tax virtually everything they want to, that governments are the fundamental root cause of all inflation, that the private sector creates more jobs per rupee than the government ever will, that inefficiency in government is a formof hegemony that the people are willing to accept, that after watching airtel and co. reduce phone rates, cell phone rates and drive home efficiencies accross the board - we still haven&#039;t privatized the entire economy, that people exist for the state rather than the state existing for the people... these are but some of my most basic gripes. Take power away from government, limit their duties, localise the process of governance, hold individual local civil servants responsible for the limited mandate that the government continues to receive. Promote competition between NGOs for private sector funding. Increase transparency. Use technology. Separate the state, law enforcement and the judiciary - in practice and in spirit. The agenda for a propper Libertarian party is compelling. The absence of it is perhaps linked to the people who believe in these principles always trying to find a way to exercise their human ingenuity within whatever shit we are handed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with the thought there. As a Libertarian, I am obviously outraged by what the world cooks up and sells to people as an attempt to help the people. That governments have super natural rights, that governments can tax virtually everything they want to, that governments are the fundamental root cause of all inflation, that the private sector creates more jobs per rupee than the government ever will, that inefficiency in government is a formof hegemony that the people are willing to accept, that after watching airtel and co. reduce phone rates, cell phone rates and drive home efficiencies accross the board &#8211; we still haven&#8217;t privatized the entire economy, that people exist for the state rather than the state existing for the people&#8230; these are but some of my most basic gripes. Take power away from government, limit their duties, localise the process of governance, hold individual local civil servants responsible for the limited mandate that the government continues to receive. Promote competition between NGOs for private sector funding. Increase transparency. Use technology. Separate the state, law enforcement and the judiciary &#8211; in practice and in spirit. The agenda for a propper Libertarian party is compelling. The absence of it is perhaps linked to the people who believe in these principles always trying to find a way to exercise their human ingenuity within whatever shit we are handed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Varughese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Varughese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an incredibly important issue to address as Indians, and one that I am CONSTANTLY thinking about. 

I think that all libertarians have a rigid unfettered view of how &quot;governance&quot; should be handled, and so it should be quite easy for us to have a common bond with quite minimal argument. Freedom is Freedom, and Freedom is our platform. Knowing this, if any of us came into power in India all one would do is completely free Indians from the ever-present strangle-hold that the Indian Government has on the Indian People. It really doesn&#039;t take a genius to understand the platform, and the proper actions to take based on this platform.

I believe that this may very well be my life long mission to categorical espouse a rigid and true sense of Libertarianism in India. I&#039;m currently an Architecture Student in New York City, but have strong thoughts in making my future in India and perhaps use my skills to aid this agenda. Perhaps I might establish a Swatantra Foundation somewhere in Delhi or Mumbai and try to get people to understand... perhaps somehow use the market to carry this message. 

We all can write about this all we want, perhaps start a protest, but I think those methods have been proven ineffective. This is gonna take risk and effort and yes, even money, but we all know that it is an effort to worth striving for. It&#039;s for the 1.2 billion people that are deprived of unlimited freedom.

We know what we want, but there is no central dogma to concentrate us. We need to start convening and centralizing ourselves in Delhi and work as individuals to make this happen. We Freedom Fighters are many in number but are scattered all across India and belong to no official party. We need to establish ourselves as legitimate and official, and we need to network ourselves. 

This way we can truly have a voice and evoke this voice within the &quot;hearts and minds&quot; within Indians. Then perhaps the media will recognize this as a real movement, which should reach the ears of the political bigwigs and perhaps at the very least redirect Indian politics towards the &quot;right&quot; direction.

and so, YES let&#039;s make it a reality. 

on a side note:

I&#039;m pretty confused as to why it took the SOCIALIST party of India to make some liberal economic reforms, and I think that Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram are in the wrong parties. But at the very most, Indians seem to able NOW to enter the foreign market, and it doesn&#039;t seem to cater to the Indian market. I think this is why English is on the rise in India. If India was totally liberalized, I think we&#039;d start to see more Indians working for Indians and perhaps the WORLD will start working for us and learning our language and our culture for their OWN personal benefit. 

please email me back !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an incredibly important issue to address as Indians, and one that I am CONSTANTLY thinking about. </p>
<p>I think that all libertarians have a rigid unfettered view of how &#8220;governance&#8221; should be handled, and so it should be quite easy for us to have a common bond with quite minimal argument. Freedom is Freedom, and Freedom is our platform. Knowing this, if any of us came into power in India all one would do is completely free Indians from the ever-present strangle-hold that the Indian Government has on the Indian People. It really doesn&#8217;t take a genius to understand the platform, and the proper actions to take based on this platform.</p>
<p>I believe that this may very well be my life long mission to categorical espouse a rigid and true sense of Libertarianism in India. I&#8217;m currently an Architecture Student in New York City, but have strong thoughts in making my future in India and perhaps use my skills to aid this agenda. Perhaps I might establish a Swatantra Foundation somewhere in Delhi or Mumbai and try to get people to understand&#8230; perhaps somehow use the market to carry this message. </p>
<p>We all can write about this all we want, perhaps start a protest, but I think those methods have been proven ineffective. This is gonna take risk and effort and yes, even money, but we all know that it is an effort to worth striving for. It&#8217;s for the 1.2 billion people that are deprived of unlimited freedom.</p>
<p>We know what we want, but there is no central dogma to concentrate us. We need to start convening and centralizing ourselves in Delhi and work as individuals to make this happen. We Freedom Fighters are many in number but are scattered all across India and belong to no official party. We need to establish ourselves as legitimate and official, and we need to network ourselves. </p>
<p>This way we can truly have a voice and evoke this voice within the &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221; within Indians. Then perhaps the media will recognize this as a real movement, which should reach the ears of the political bigwigs and perhaps at the very least redirect Indian politics towards the &#8220;right&#8221; direction.</p>
<p>and so, YES let&#8217;s make it a reality. </p>
<p>on a side note:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty confused as to why it took the SOCIALIST party of India to make some liberal economic reforms, and I think that Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram are in the wrong parties. But at the very most, Indians seem to able NOW to enter the foreign market, and it doesn&#8217;t seem to cater to the Indian market. I think this is why English is on the rise in India. If India was totally liberalized, I think we&#8217;d start to see more Indians working for Indians and perhaps the WORLD will start working for us and learning our language and our culture for their OWN personal benefit. </p>
<p>please email me back !</p>
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		<title>By: Rakhal Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rakhal Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets say we seriously consider facilitating the formation of such a party. Who do you think we should try and convince to stand for election on this platform?

How about:
Pratap Bhanu Mehta
Shahi Tharoor
Abdul Kalam
Swaminathan Anklesaria Iyer

I look forward to suggestions and I am also looking for like minded people to help facilitate the formation of such a party. 

I also notice that you did not say anything about reservation. I think reservation on the basis of ancestry and caste violates the idea of a uniform civil code - so such a party should by definition be anti reservation. Reservation should be replaced with assistance on the basis of economic indicators of the individual. Although the anti-reservation agenda is not central to the party plank - at this time this can be a great selling point to the growing urban middle class. [Recall the medical students strike less than a year ago].

Can some of us get together and try and make this party a reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets say we seriously consider facilitating the formation of such a party. Who do you think we should try and convince to stand for election on this platform?</p>
<p>How about:<br />
Pratap Bhanu Mehta<br />
Shahi Tharoor<br />
Abdul Kalam<br />
Swaminathan Anklesaria Iyer</p>
<p>I look forward to suggestions and I am also looking for like minded people to help facilitate the formation of such a party. </p>
<p>I also notice that you did not say anything about reservation. I think reservation on the basis of ancestry and caste violates the idea of a uniform civil code &#8211; so such a party should by definition be anti reservation. Reservation should be replaced with assistance on the basis of economic indicators of the individual. Although the anti-reservation agenda is not central to the party plank &#8211; at this time this can be a great selling point to the growing urban middle class. [Recall the medical students strike less than a year ago].</p>
<p>Can some of us get together and try and make this party a reality?</p>
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		<title>By: ravptor</title>
		<link>http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/needed-a-rightist-secular-libertarian-national-party/#comment-8300</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice writing chaitu!

Rightist, Liberal and Secular... nice thought. 

Chaitu, no one wants to say I kissed. No one wants to say I made money in stock markets. No one wants to say that being right is right. Dude, ur rich, well off and happy. Do you say it out loud. You still say I am poor.

I dreamt of these things. Liberal and Secular. After coming to the best democracy, I want to ask - Why Secular. Why say liberal. My way is just one Fundamental Article. Freedom to everyone on their own terms governed by rules that protect freedom. All forms of freedom. Secular, nah... protect the interests of the whole society. Not only the minority but the majority too...

Its been a while since i read a long post of urs... keep em coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice writing chaitu!</p>
<p>Rightist, Liberal and Secular&#8230; nice thought. </p>
<p>Chaitu, no one wants to say I kissed. No one wants to say I made money in stock markets. No one wants to say that being right is right. Dude, ur rich, well off and happy. Do you say it out loud. You still say I am poor.</p>
<p>I dreamt of these things. Liberal and Secular. After coming to the best democracy, I want to ask &#8211; Why Secular. Why say liberal. My way is just one Fundamental Article. Freedom to everyone on their own terms governed by rules that protect freedom. All forms of freedom. Secular, nah&#8230; protect the interests of the whole society. Not only the minority but the majority too&#8230;</p>
<p>Its been a while since i read a long post of urs&#8230; keep em coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would first dream about THE Casteless India</description>
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		<title>By: The Acorn &#187; Any party you like. As long as it&#8217;s socialist (Dilip&#8217;s view)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Acorn &#187; Any party you like. As long as it&#8217;s socialist (Dilip&#8217;s view)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Links: by Amit Varma, Rohit Pradhan, Atlantean, Patrix and Gaurav. Please trackback or leave a comment if you have written about this and your [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Swear by Socialism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swear by Socialism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have an alternative to the socialist policies that are peddled by current parties. Bloggers have made the case for such a party in India at least for the sake of choice spurred on by a similar comment by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have an alternative to the socialist policies that are peddled by current parties. Bloggers have made the case for such a party in India at least for the sake of choice spurred on by a similar comment by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: atlantean</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlantean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prateek and shubhamsingal, 

Excuse the spelling mistakes :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prateek and shubhamsingal, </p>
<p>Excuse the spelling mistakes :p</p>
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		<title>By: atlantean</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlantean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Pra,bteek&lt;/b&gt;,

The answer to your question is what Nitin Pai calls &quot;the free market Mahatma.&quot; Someone who can &quot;transfer the idea of swatantra from the country to the individual&quot;, as you say. India is in the masses.

&lt;b&gt;shubhansingal&lt;/b&gt;,

Thanks.

&lt;b&gt;Anoop Saha&lt;/b&gt;,

Yes, even if one doesnt agree with the agenda of such a party, s/he should support its existence for reasons of democracy.

&lt;b&gt;Siddhartha Shome&lt;/b&gt;,

Yes, Jayaprakash Narain is a good orator. He has the vision. But I hear his party is struggling due to funding problems.

&lt;b&gt;anonymous coward&lt;/b&gt;,

The middle class doesnt vote not because it is lazy. When you ask a middle class person why s/he doesnt vote, the answer almost always is lack of representation in the form of a political party that would fight for their interests. They dont want to vote for the existing political parties. They feel it is better not to vote than to vote for these parties.

&lt;b&gt;PK&lt;/b&gt;,

Whether the party would win elections and come to power is irrelevant. History shows that even though a party isnt very good at elections, it can have considerable impact on public discourse. Take for example, the Left parties in the UPA. All that they can boast of in terms of seats in the Parliament is a paltry 60. They are a minority. Yet, they are able to block, at will, any bill that goes against their agenda. (Read http://www.indianexpress.com/story/33477.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Pra,bteek</b>,</p>
<p>The answer to your question is what Nitin Pai calls &#8220;the free market Mahatma.&#8221; Someone who can &#8220;transfer the idea of swatantra from the country to the individual&#8221;, as you say. India is in the masses.</p>
<p><b>shubhansingal</b>,</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><b>Anoop Saha</b>,</p>
<p>Yes, even if one doesnt agree with the agenda of such a party, s/he should support its existence for reasons of democracy.</p>
<p><b>Siddhartha Shome</b>,</p>
<p>Yes, Jayaprakash Narain is a good orator. He has the vision. But I hear his party is struggling due to funding problems.</p>
<p><b>anonymous coward</b>,</p>
<p>The middle class doesnt vote not because it is lazy. When you ask a middle class person why s/he doesnt vote, the answer almost always is lack of representation in the form of a political party that would fight for their interests. They dont want to vote for the existing political parties. They feel it is better not to vote than to vote for these parties.</p>
<p><b>PK</b>,</p>
<p>Whether the party would win elections and come to power is irrelevant. History shows that even though a party isnt very good at elections, it can have considerable impact on public discourse. Take for example, the Left parties in the UPA. All that they can boast of in terms of seats in the Parliament is a paltry 60. They are a minority. Yet, they are able to block, at will, any bill that goes against their agenda. (Read <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/story/33477.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianexpress.com/story/33477.html)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Building A Center Right Coalition at Retributions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Building A Center Right Coalition at Retributions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In his column in Mint, Jaithrith Rao has commented on the lack of a quasi-libertarian party in India: &#8221;a khullam khulla supporter of free markets and individual liberties&#8221;. In a similar vein, Atlantean has argued that India needs a truly secular, rightist, libertarian party. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In his column in Mint, Jaithrith Rao has commented on the lack of a quasi-libertarian party in India: &#8221;a khullam khulla supporter of free markets and individual liberties&#8221;. In a similar vein, Atlantean has argued that India needs a truly secular, rightist, libertarian party. [...]</p>
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