Comments on: Why Clemency Should Be Denied To Mohammed Afzal http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/ All Past was Future once and all Future will become Past. The Present is only an illusion. Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:08:19 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: rohan http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-15263 rohan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:22:56 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-15263 Mr. Anonymous, u need treatment , go to psychologist. U r sick of BJP , nothing else. Mr. Anonymous, u need treatment , go to psychologist. U r sick of BJP , nothing else.

]]> By: Ashwin http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1557 Ashwin Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:43:27 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1557 We all talking about this matter? Will we all fight with the same vigour to treat Modi, if Godra incident happens to be a brain child of him We all talking about this matter? Will we all fight with the same vigour to treat Modi, if Godra incident happens to be a brain child of him

]]> By: Anonymous http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1486 Anonymous Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:52:36 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1486 The attack on parliament was organised by the STF. Afzal was used as a pawn. police officers got their medals. BJP got the chance to enact POTO and show the world how patriotic they are. now they are trying to hanfg afzal and kill the last remaining proof of the bogusness of "attack on parliament" this is similar to gulf of tonkin or Reichstag fire. The attack on parliament was organised by the STF.
Afzal was used as a pawn.
police officers got their medals.
BJP got the chance to enact POTO and show the world how patriotic they are.
now they are trying to hanfg afzal and kill the last remaining proof of the bogusness of “attack on parliament”
this is similar to gulf of tonkin or Reichstag fire.

]]> By: pranay http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1452 pranay Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:23:43 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1452 Agreed atlantean, in that situation we would act that way. About acting in a gentlemanly manner i was referring to just the afore mentioned example which is about a guy on the street and not about the judiciary. And although we don’t behead but after finding a criminal guilty we kill him right. I am not saying we are as bad as Taliban but I am not comparing ourselves to them. I am comparing ourselves to someone even better. I am not saying we should let them go but at least you can accept that in some cases there is a more peaceful way of punishing. It’s all about what part of the spectrum we are. We are not Taliban but we are not Gandhi either. I am just speaking of going a bit up the ladder. not practically but ideally. Agreed atlantean, in that situation we would act that way. About acting in a gentlemanly manner i was referring to just the afore mentioned example which is about a guy on the street and not about the judiciary.
And although we don’t behead but after finding a criminal guilty we kill him right. I am not saying we are as bad as Taliban but I am not comparing ourselves to them. I am comparing ourselves to someone even better. I am not saying we should let them go but at least you can accept that in some cases there is a more peaceful way of punishing. It’s all about what part of the spectrum we are. We are not Taliban but we are not Gandhi either. I am just speaking of going a bit up the ladder. not practically but ideally.

]]> By: atlantean http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1451 atlantean Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:03:39 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1451 "it is not the criteria for judging if he should be lilled or not the main criteria is what are we? No matter what he is or what he does the punishment is decided by what we are." Yeah true. And because we are different and we're not the Taliban, we dont straight away behead him. We have something called a judiciary. We put the criminals through a long judicial process and arrive at sentences only after intense deliberation. We give capital punishments only in the rarest of the rare cases. "it could have been tackled gentlemanly." In some situations, being gentlemanly is not possible or illadvised as we're merely human and at the end of the day, animals: 1. Wife being raped and her throat being slit. 2. Father being killed in a bomb attack. Sorry, I wouldnt be very "gentlemanly" in such situations. Call me selfish or "lacking morals" if you like. Put your self in such situations and please tell us how "gentlemanly" you'd be. “it is not the criteria for judging if he should be lilled or not the main criteria is what are we? No matter what he is or what he does the punishment is decided by what we are.”

Yeah true. And because we are different and we’re not the Taliban, we dont straight away behead him. We have something called a judiciary. We put the criminals through a long judicial process and arrive at sentences only after intense deliberation. We give capital punishments only in the rarest of the rare cases.

“it could have been tackled gentlemanly.”

In some situations, being gentlemanly is not possible or illadvised as we’re merely human and at the end of the day, animals:

1. Wife being raped and her throat being slit.
2. Father being killed in a bomb attack.

Sorry, I wouldnt be very “gentlemanly” in such situations. Call me selfish or “lacking morals” if you like. Put your self in such situations and please tell us how “gentlemanly” you’d be.

]]> By: Afzal and the “Hanging” Dilemma « Polite Indian http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1450 Afzal and the “Hanging” Dilemma « Polite Indian Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:58:41 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1450 [...] It is not a point of contention whether Afzal guru is guilty or not. I have a similar debate with atlantean. I can understand why such emotions run high but that doesn’t justify killing someone. Gandhi once said “An eye for an eye will make the world blind”. This is so very true. To reciprocate an evil with another is not civilised and that is what pranay is trying to say here. [...] [...] It is not a point of contention whether Afzal guru is guilty or not. I have a similar debate with atlantean. I can understand why such emotions run high but that doesn’t justify killing someone. Gandhi once said “An eye for an eye will make the world blind”. This is so very true. To reciprocate an evil with another is not civilised and that is what pranay is trying to say here. [...]

]]> By: pranay http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1448 pranay Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:35:16 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1448 Hmmmm...although this point of whether capital punishment should exist has come into my mind often I've finally succumbed to the acceptance of it. I did used to think 1) it is of no value as it ends misery for the criminal in the first place 2)if we actually have the right to end someone's life as we have not given it. And even if we should hang somone I am not convinced by your argument on it. No matter how less of a human and more of a devil you consider the criminal, it is not the criteria for judging if he should be lilled or not the main criteria is what are we? No matter what he is or what he does the punishment is decided by what we are. The taliban may kill a criminal by beheading, some by torturing, some by hanging It just tells us how the punishment giver is and not how big the crime was. So what should be decide is whether we are as (fo lack of a better word) ruthless to kill somebody. It's not how you treat someone who helps you but how you treat someone who hurts you that decide how noble you are. You can't justify using abusive language and acting insane just by proving that the provocation was enough reason. it could have been tackled gentlemanly. hope you get my point. I was gonna sign the signature drive but the stress on hinduism and not India put me off. Terrorists don't just attack Hindus. Nice post. Hmmmm…although this point of whether capital punishment should exist has come into my mind often I’ve finally succumbed to the acceptance of it. I did used to think
1) it is of no value as it ends misery for the criminal in the first place
2)if we actually have the right to end someone’s life as we have not given it.
And even if we should hang somone I am not convinced by your argument on it. No matter how less of a human and more of a devil you consider the criminal, it is not the criteria for judging if he should be lilled or not the main criteria is what are we? No matter what he is or what he does the punishment is decided by what we are. The taliban may kill a criminal by beheading, some by torturing, some by hanging It just tells us how the punishment giver is and not how big the crime was.
So what should be decide is whether we are as (fo lack of a better word) ruthless to kill somebody.
It’s not how you treat someone who helps you but how you treat someone who hurts you that decide how noble you are. You can’t justify using abusive language and acting insane just by proving that the provocation was enough reason. it could have been tackled gentlemanly.
hope you get my point.
I was gonna sign the signature drive but the stress on hinduism and not India put me off.
Terrorists don’t just attack Hindus.
Nice post.

]]> By: atlantean http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1447 atlantean Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:34:30 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1447 So it all comes down to whether capital punishment should be abolished or not. I'd like to go by Aftab's words here: "People have been saying that capital punishment is an inhumane act but do they realise that a man who helped killed 9 innocent people is also hardly a human???" Saying that a person who killed 9 innocent people still deserves a human rights consideration is an insult to the rest of humanity. Human rights considerations actually call for the elimination of people who involve in human rights violations of innocent lawabiding citizens day in and day out. Not even the most savage animal commits such horrible crimes as a rapist who rapes the victim and slits her throat, a murderer who stabs the victim and hacks him into small pieces, a terrorist who bombs from behind and takes the lives of innocent men, women and small children who havent yet reached puberty and who havent really seen what life is all about. A tiger kills for food, a lion kills for food, a crocodile kills for food but only a man kills out of sheer hatred. Such a creature is not worthy of the title "human." Such a creature is not even worthy of being compared with such magnificent and noble creatures as lions, tigers and crocodiles. Therefore, no human rights apply to this savagest of the savage creature whatever be his biological status. So it all comes down to whether capital punishment should be abolished or not. I’d like to go by Aftab’s words here:

“People have been saying that capital punishment is an inhumane act but do they realise that a man who helped killed 9 innocent people is also hardly a human???”

Saying that a person who killed 9 innocent people still deserves a human rights consideration is an insult to the rest of humanity. Human rights considerations actually call for the elimination of people who involve in human rights violations of innocent lawabiding citizens day in and day out.

Not even the most savage animal commits such horrible crimes as a rapist who rapes the victim and slits her throat, a murderer who stabs the victim and hacks him into small pieces, a terrorist who bombs from behind and takes the lives of innocent men, women and small children who havent yet reached puberty and who havent really seen what life is all about.

A tiger kills for food, a lion kills for food, a crocodile kills for food but only a man kills out of sheer hatred. Such a creature is not worthy of the title “human.” Such a creature is not even worthy of being compared with such magnificent and noble creatures as lions, tigers and crocodiles. Therefore, no human rights apply to this savagest of the savage creature whatever be his biological status.

]]> By: Polite Indian http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1446 Polite Indian Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:14:17 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1446 Sandeep: I think we should commute it to a life sentence. It is hard for me to judge whether the court has judged him right or wrong but I will place my trust in the judicial system and say that they must have done due dilligence. However there are indications that the trial might not have been fair. In general I don't think capital punishment should exist. Sandeep:
I think we should commute it to a life sentence.

It is hard for me to judge whether the court has judged him right or wrong but I will place my trust in the judicial system and say that they must have done due dilligence.
However there are indications that the trial might not have been fair.

In general I don’t think capital punishment should exist.

]]> By: Aftab http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1444 Aftab Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:34:02 +0000 http://atlantean.wordpress.com/2006/10/06/why-clemency-should-be-denied-to-mohammed-afzal/#comment-1444 That Aftab -India was used to mock that Joe-usa fella ;))..Didnt notice tht it was still there.. That Aftab -India was used to mock that Joe-usa fella ;) )..Didnt notice tht it was still there..

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